Okay, these are both good questions. I don’t mean to disrespect you two either. I want this place to be a fun forum, where people have the best relationship with their sexuality as they can.
When I said “exploitation,” I mean not only in the capitalist-laborer dynamic. Patriarchal exploitation is a type of exploitation as well. If you viewed the problem only from the economic perspective, you would miss a lot of the critical issues here.
Is burping in a video that is not meant as fetish content considered labor?
This a good question to start on, because it basically asks, “What is labor?”
Labor is the human input into the production of a commodity. By this definition, the answer is yes. When you compile them, you are also doing labor. Remember here, that even if the original user didn’t want to create a commodity when we compile them and trade them, we have certainly made them into one. Under capitalism, a lot of the things we do are labor, so it is not as special of a category as we think it is.
Is it exploitation because content that could have otherwise been monetized is shared for free or because the person in it is represented in a way in which they did not agree on beforehand?
It is exploitation because we taking them and forcing them into a new context, and therefore, creating a new commodity using their input, without their consent. Explicitly for the sexual purposes of men, which is why the exploitation is patriarchal.
Is it OK to share a burp to “haha funny burp” forum, but not to “I bust nuts to bassy burps” forum?
This is a good hypothetical, but technically irrelevant. Yes, there is a difference between taking someone to a comedy club and taking them to a porn theater. Yet, the hypothetical is irrelevant because there is nothing stopping that type of forum of existing right now after 20+ years of the internet. I don’t think we will ever have to actually answer that question, is what I’m saying. So answering the question of what is actually happening is more important.
What harm is being done by sharing non-consensual fetish content here if the person in it is not harassed and the people watching it understand that they are in fact a person and not an object of pleasure + treat them as such?
This is true, there is probably a very small chance of someone experiencing harm because of your actions. However other women are watching what you are doing. They see the objectification, even if there is no harm.
“I don’t agree with calling youtube clips porn. Porn has a definition that goes beyond simply something that happens to be sexually attractive.”
I do not think that prescribing porn an objective meaning is useful here. What is porn to some, is absolutely-not-porn to others, and the context of a piece can change its definition.
“The question at the base of this issue is essentially asking how we are allowed to perceive a person, if we’re doing something wrong by looking at someone in a sexual way.”
This is not the question at the base of the issue. We are doing more than perceiving these women, as I said before, we put labor into sharing, compiling, and trading them. You can perceive someone however you like.
“A good rule I find is to simply ask yourself ‘would it be okay if this happened to me?”
Solipsism is actually not a good rule.
“While the concept of getting off to someone without their consent is immoral on the surface, it is something that can’t be helped in regard to the internet”
I do not think it is immoral to do this. When we take it and post it on a different website that is explicitly maintained for the sexualization of this content, that is the issue. This is what I mean when I say, “we are doing more than perceiving.”
Look, I’ll admit, I’m not captain philosopher, and I’m mostly a pseud. I may not have the perfect philosophical retort to all of your questions, but, it doesn’t take a genius to look around and see that this forum doesn’t treat women very well. When I say community, we also need to make women feel comfortable being here, and it doesn’t really seem like they are. We have one of the silliest, dumbest, and easiest fetishes to have, yet we have one of the worst communities. There are women who have been burping for us for years, yet they don’t have an account here? We need to ask why that is. I think a lot of it has to do with all the non-con posting here. Though we should stop exploitation for its own sake, you don’t fully understand the trade-off you’re making here. Stopping gendered exploitation will bring in more people and make this a better place to be.
